Albert Ellis Doing REBT with Jeffrey Guterman

Telephonic session held March 8, 1986 demonstrating Albert Ellis identifying abc's of rational emotive behavior therapy (REBT) and disputing irrational beliefs. When this session was held, Jeffrey Guterman was a masters student in counseling and a follower of REBT. He later became a supervisee, colleague, and friend of Albert Ellis. In the 1990s, Guterman shifted to a solution-focused approach and developed his own model called solution-focused counseling; see www.jeffreyguterman.com. Here is a transcript from this session Ellis: Right. But what are you depressed about? Guterman: Well, a series of events. Ellis: Yeah. Guterman: One was I took my car in and I found out I had to, uh, spend over $600. Ellis: Alright, so that's unfortunate, but what are you telling yourself? That it's horrible? Or what? Guterman: Yeah. Pretty much so. Ellis: Right. But you better go back to, "It's a royal pain in the ass, but I could live with it!." Guterman: Well... Ellis: Because you can. Guter man: Huh? Ellis: Because you can.

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